Deb and are are well aware of the criticism we are receiving from some non-Calvinists because we feature sermons by Wade Burleson. He said he found comfort from it. I want us non-Calvinists to figure out how to get along with our Calvinist brothers and sisters. Im not saying that they are incapable of making the mistake, but, since you say that this is what many people come away with, it could be that they communicated it poorly. I, for one, *do* understand. I realize that, even with these qualifications, there are those who find such a God abhorrent, and that there are some who will be upset by the notion of such a God, probably because of some terrible thing they went through. And those who might still reject it, might also be rejecting it for the wrong reasons and miss out on some important wrestling that could help them grow. Jeff S (and B for that matter), you sound like a good and kind man and a thoughtful speaker. Does that make my stance clearer? Im concerned with the preoccupation of defending Calvin when someone is hurting. Considering the amount of people we are seeing who have had these experiences, I wish the accusations about misrepresenting the Reformed/Calvin/Tulip systems would take a back seat. These leaders are not MY leader, and they are not the leaders of the men and women at my church. All we ask is that you pray for us when you get mad at us. CALVIN! 21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians Eastern Orthodox [ edit] 12th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 13th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 14th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 15th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 16th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians 17th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians The guy wearing glasses in the video gave an interesting explanation, though he chose to use the Fall in the Garden, rather than a more contemporary example. There was a reason we (the US) put in a Constitutional Amendment to term limit the president. Their scholarship seems smug and oddly ineffectual (quoted by one mother) and yes, it later became apparent that The Way was actually doctrinally aberrant and yet through this article you were drawn to Jesus, so maybe this suggests God sometimes uses unlikely means to create new believers? Learn as I go, mistakes & big mess. Im aware of his molecule statement. Ive been lurking through out this discussion. This never seemed hard to understand to me. We often find it difficult to tolerate uncertainty, so we do anything to avoid that. What I mean is doctrinally I cant find the distinction. I am a Christian. And this is the crux of the problem. Do you believe that God could not stop you if he wished? I just checked my Google News and there was an Associated Press story marking 20 years since Al Mohler took over SBTS. However, Brian (a Calvinist) brought up a new topic and I decided since there was so much dialogue, I could easily keep the debate to one thread. Though its not nearly as esoteric and egghead as supralapsarianism vs. infralapsarianism.
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